Well, theoretically. Today, while fiddling with things down at the laboratory – now I’m up at home, and I have been listening to “Plug Me In”, Disc 1, the Early Years (looking at Mal’s and Ang’s Amps when live in those years, and listening close with the headphones, once again, for the millionth time) it just struck me – I wonder why not before, not so clearly – that it was a boost. It had to be a boost.
A boost of signal. Do you understand? How many times have you asked yourself (and me) “how do I get that sound?”. Haven’t we discussed it over and over, already? Yes, we have.
But have at least *I* tried it seriously, ever? No, I haven’t. Now I am and I will.
So, today I hooked a clean boost (a volume boost: it’s a pedal unit that has volume and tone on it, you plug it just like any other guitar stomp box, and you play) to my 1959 main input – I had just retubed it with new JJs – and it struck me.
Right there and then. Couldn’t believe it. It was there. The fundamental added tone harmonics were all there.
I have been playing for months – and you know it – with these JMPs. The 2204, the 2203 and the ’59. You heard me. You saw me and at times, you were also generous enough to appreciate what I was doing.
I was basically, like always, studying. I was still wondering why I wasn’t able to grasp that tone. You might think that I nailed it – and a couple of times maybe I did – but something was still missing and you know it.
When you plug straight a guitar – say and SG or a humbucker equipped guitar – into a Marshall of that kind, and you turn it up, you get a blast, indeed. However, there is/was more “rawness” in Angus Young’s tone, especially the one ranging from ’77 to ’80.
Damn. We already covered – and extensively in written form, already – that the key point had to be the Schaffer Vega.
The Schaffer Vega has a volume boost; we know it, it’s here, it’s a fact. But it hadn’t stroke me this much the fact that it became an integral part of Angus’ sound. What I am trying to tell you is the same thing that Platt said on his interview: you remove that unit and Angus young sounds (and maybe even plays) differently. So I am stretching to the point of saying that Angus Young’s tone of those very years is massively influenced by the use of this unit. Some people also observed that Angus Young’s tone AND playing has changed since back then, it’s not the same anymore: I may even stretch to the point of saying that without the Schaffer Vega you get a different Angus. But I’ll hold that one for now.
It’s the type of sound that I like the best; the one that captured my attention for the first time, when I was all but a very young 10 years old kid.
It was “If You Want Blood, You’Ve Got It” (and you get it, says Bon). Well, that concert already had Angus sporting that unit. And finally, after training my ears for all these months, with constantly ringing ears, even now, I recognized it. Now I recognize those added frequencies.
They make the sound “bigger”, fatter and more three-dimensional. 3D. THAT was it. The sound of a 1959 won’t get there alone. So I thought it may be the 2203, or a combination of the two, which thing happened frequently back then, so I tried. It isn’t. Not if you don’t boost their signal.
So I hooked this unit up, boosted its volume output all the way, and I heard the ’59 struggling, chocking, expanding. Marvelous. And it was all already documented, several people stated how useful it can be to boost these amps with a clean boost (NOT an overdrive! A volume boost).
I’ll record something for you with it. I’m not saying that this unit is a replacement for the Schaffer Vega, because it still isn’t; but it’s getting closer.
So I went looking for more interviews. And this one came about:
When: Early 1983
Where: West Hollywood, California (Sunset Marquis Hotel)
What: This conversation with the feverish and manic performer took place at the beginning of 1983. Flick of the Switch had been released and the band had found themselves with another big record. Angus talked about the record, his beloved SGs, his Marshall amplifiers, and the unique sound AC/DC has been refining for so many years.
What really struck me was how small he was. I’m about 5’7” if the wind is blowing in the right direction and I towered over him. But he had a hell of a lot more energy than I ever did.In an industry gone mad with detail, where every guitarist knows to the nth degree not only the gauges of his strings but the alloys which made them up, where every player has a rack of pedals, gadgets and gizmos which would befuddle most any NASA representative, Angus Young stands apart as a guitar player who’s unin terested and unamused. When referring to his variously dated Gibson SG’s, Young calls them “This guitar” or “This thing.” Rarely “This SG.” He admits to not know ing the names of chords; and only upon joining AC/DC did he develop any sense whatsoever of chord names and descrip tions. But for all his lack of technical knowledge, Angus Young is one of the rare players who has been able to propel the normally monolithic properties of hard rock out the window and replace them with intriguing overlays of rhythmic instruments.
Maybe more than any other guitarist ever, you’re inextricably linked to the Gibson SG? What was the evolution that brought you to this particular instrument?
I started playing on banjos and re-strung them up with six strings.
an acoustic guitar, an old bang up little ten-dollar job, that was probably the first thing I started playing on. Me brother Malcolm got a Hofner off of one of me other brothers and he got a Gretsch and passed the Hofner on to me after much squabbling. It was semi-acoustic and had all been packed with cotton. But I never used to really take it as a serious thing; I just used to fool around with it. When I was about 14 was when I really started playing it seriously. I got an amplifier for about sixty bucks that used to distort all the time. It was a Phi-Sonic.
After that I got out and got a Gibson SG that I played until it good wood rot because so much sweat and water got into it. The whole neck warped. I bought it second-hand, it was about a ’67. It had a real thin neck, really slim, like a Custom neck. It was dark brown. After about a year, you lose about half the power in the pickups so you either get them re-wired or put new ones in. Just ordinary Gibsons.
How do you explain what you and your brother Malcolm create as guitar players?
He’ll get something and I’ll play along. It’s a natural thing. I suppose it’s just something we do well together. He seems to have a great command of rhythm and he likes doing that. That to me is more impor tant because if we’re playing live and something goes wrong with my gear and my guitar drops out, you can still hear him and it’s not empty. He’s proba bly got the best right hand in the world. I’ve never heard anyone do it like that. Even Keith Richards or any of those people. As soon as the other guitar drops out, it’s empty. But with Malcolm it’s so full. Beside Malcolm always said that playing lead interfered with his drinkin’ and so he said I should do it.
Soloing was pretty easy for me be cause it was probably the first thing I’ve ever done. I just used to make up leads. I never even knew any names of chords until Malcolm told me and then I picked it up from there. I don’t regard myself as a soloist. It’s a color; I put it in for excitement. It’s not great loss if a solo has to go. We’ve made songs without solos.
Live you use four Marshall stacks. How do you control so much volume?
All the sound comes directly from the amps. That way it’s your sound coming out. A lot of times you’ll hear bands and it’s a different sound coming out than what’s on stage. Because you can clean it up [through a PAl and make it sound completely different than what they really sound like. We’ve always been wary of that and that’s why we always tended to have a lot of amps on stage. And also it has a lot better feel to it especially when you’re playing hard rock music.
Did these early instruments still have that tremolo arm attached?
They did but I took it off. I used to fool around with them but you begin sounding like Hank Marvin.
Talking about instruments from back in the day, you didn’t start with Marshalls obviously?
I got a $60 amplifier and the tubes would turn blue when you used the push/pull treble pot. I remember one of the first gigs I played with that amp was at a local church. They wanted someone to fill in with the guitar and my friend say, Ah, he can play.’ And so I dragged the amplifier down and started playing and everybody started yelling turn it down!”
And why did you remain loyal to the SG for the remainder of your career?It was light
. I’d tried the other ones, Fenders, but you’ve really got to do a number on ’em. They’re great for feel but the wiring just doesn’t got the balls. And I don’t like putting those DiMarzios and everything because everyone sounds the same. It’s like you’re listening to the guy down the street. And I liked the hard sound of the Gibson. All the other sort of Gibsons I tried like the Les Paul was too heavy. Hip displacement. When I first started playing with the SG there was nothing to think about.
I don’t know how this came about but I think I had a lot thinner neck. Someone once said to me they
make two sized necks, one was 1 ½ and one was 1 ¼ and this was like 1 ¼, thin all the way up. Even now I still look all over and I still haven’t found one; I’ve been to a hundred guitar shops and I found the same guitar but with different necks. It had a really thin neck almost like a custom neck.
And you can do a lot of tricks on it, too!
Did you ever experiment with the SGs when they were called Les Pauls
Yeah, I had a really old one I bought, a 1962. But it had a very fat neck; it was good to play but it felt heavier than all the other ones. That’s why I stopped using it. And when you’re running around a lot, it weighs you down.
So from High Voltage on it’s always been the SG. Have you ever tried using more modern types of instruments?
Yeah, I tried a Hamer but I wouldn’t buy an expensive guitar – especially in my case. It’s always getting beaten around. With the SG, you can do plenty of tricks with them.
You’ve always used the same guitar and all the AC/DC albums are always built around those pretty simple rock formula – how do you keep coming up with new songs that find an audience?
We try to do everything with a fresh approach. We try and get an idea of what we basically want from the album. We don’t like to leave people dry or have them say, ‘These guys have left us and gone off to something else.’ That self-indulgent thing. So we try and keep it basic. A lot of people say we work a formula but we don’t. We try a fresh approach all the time.
I saw Deep Purple live once and I paid money for it and I thought, ‘Geez, this is ridiculous.’ You just see through all that sort of stuff. I never liked those Deep Pur ples or those sort of things. I always hated it. I always thought it was a poor man’s Led Zeppelin.
And you’ve been faithful to Marshall amplifiers as well?
Ever since I’ve been in this band I’ve been using Marshalls. I’ve tried Ampeg and they weren’t too good for the sound I wanted. On stage I have four stacks going, all hooked up with splitter boxes. 100-watt stacks … it’s good for your eardrums. I use a real lot of volume, I turn that up; I turn the treble and bass on about half and middle, the same. I don’t use any presence. If I don’t think it’s putting out enough top, I will kick up the presence. Just over the years and fooling around with them you find something that sounds right. With Marshalls, if you’re using a fair bit of volume, if you whack the treble and bass at half, that’s where they’re working. We get them from the factory, that’s what we do. We go down there and try them out and fool around with amps and tell them what we want and they doctor them up. At the moment, they’re all back to the old style of Marshalls, they’re very clean. They don’t have these master or preamp settings.
I don’t believe I’ve ever had a wah-wah or a fuzz box. It’s just the guitar and the amp and if I need anything, if someone says they want a different approach to the sound, then I’ll get it with the guitar.Yeah, I use the Schaffer-Vega. I’ve been using that since ’77. On the receiver you’ve got like a monitor switch you can boost the signal and in the transmitter you’ve got the same sort of thing. You can really give a guitar hell with ’em. I have used the remote in the studio and it worked really good.
(Fil’s note: now take a good look at THIS picture here: see anything special? Maybe a “Monitor Volume next to an output jack? )
I did fumble around with a fuzzwah a long time ago but my foot kept going right through it. I found that pedals were too much to fool around with. You’d be halfway through a solo and the batteries would go dead and conk out. And if you tread on the lead going to the pedal, something would always go wrong. Or some crazy kid would pull the lead out just at the moment when you’re about to do your big number on it.
Your sound on Flick of the Switch is a combination of a clean tone but very big sounding. How do you describe your sound?
We wanted this one as raw as possible. We wanted a natural, but big, sound for the guitars. We didn’t want echoes and reverb going everywhere and noise elimi nators and noise extractors. Getting the sound has always been the easiest part of the guitar. Also, if you’re playing it right, it’s going to sound right somehow. I mean you gladly turn down if it’s going to sound good. I mean it’s not like, ‘I have to have a wall of amps and a candelabra on top.’ If you hit a chord and it’s distorted, you clean it up. It’s all what you hear. You fiddle around until you get a good sound. For me, I prefer the sound to be clean if I can get it clean. If you can get that natural distortion, fine, because I don’t believe in boxes that sustain. And I don’t believe in pushing the hell out of the amps because they become muddy and whooshy.
The way you talk about the guitar, it’s almost as if what you do is an afterthought.
I tend to look at the music as a song; it sounds a bit funny talking about it as some place to play a solo. My brother would beat me up. People tend to see me as a soloist. Poor people. You’d think they’d have something better to do. I mean there’s a lot of comedy on TV worth watching. Yeah, people see that but I don’t. I look at it as a band. I think Pete Townshend is rotten without Roger Daltrey and The Who. He’s quite boring actually. Or the same with Zeppelin without John Bonham. To me it’s not the same. I mean there are solo people who just do that sort of thing. I like it as a band, as a unit. You should hear me on my own. It’s horrendous.
2008 © Steven Rosen
So I went and did it. You know there isn’t any Schaffer Vega Diversity Systems around. I searched for a long time, but none can be found. Not a Schaffer Vega.
But a CETEC Vega… that can. CETEC bought Vega shortly after that Ken Schaffer left. So Schaffer Vega became CETEC Vega. The unit (see it again here) seems to be the same. I think it’s the same. I hope it is; maybe even if it’s slightly different, it’ll be closer than anything else in the world.
So I went to ebay and bought three units in a package. 199 US$ plus shipping. Same exact units as posted in that image.
What am I about to do?
Open them up; take the guts out, locate the boost/volume circuit and build a little boost box with it inside.
The Angus Young Boost Box (:P )
There, I said it. My training is almost complete (lol)